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Sluggo - January 23, 2010 04:40 PM (GMT)
Jeff Zrebiec reporting a 1-year deal pending physical.

Skipjack - January 23, 2010 04:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sluggo @ Jan 23 2010, 12:40 PM)
Jeff Zrebiec reporting a 1-year deal pending physical.

Well OK if it's 3D base…I'm willing to git Miggy wif it!

Milto - January 23, 2010 05:58 PM (GMT)
Oh geez, another year of I jez wantu ween.

Bark - January 23, 2010 08:25 PM (GMT)
So the infield is Atkins, Roberts, Izturis, and Tejada. We'll be lucky to get 40 homeruns from that bunch.

orioles27 - January 24, 2010 01:25 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bark @ Jan 23 2010, 03:25 PM)
So the infield is Atkins, Roberts, Izturis, and Tejada. We'll be lucky to get 40 homeruns from that bunch.

disgusting, isn't it?

Why not just go after the draft pick and use a minor leaguer at 1B?! Now we've got 2 veteran guys switching from their normal position...this has disaster written all over it.

I guess MacPhail has a short memory of what Tejada's attitude and off field problems did last time this was attempted.

Markakis will lead the team with 22 HR, and that saddens me...I'd rather have Adam LaRoche at 12 million than Miguel Tejada at 6...and that says a lot.

Skipjack - January 24, 2010 01:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bark @ Jan 23 2010, 04:25 PM)
So the infield is Atkins, Roberts, Izturis, and Tejada. We'll be lucky to get 40 homeruns from that bunch.

I don't care so much about the taters. I agree with Brian Roberts on the Tajada deal:
QUOTE
…"Why wouldn't you want a guy who potentially can give you 200 hits and 100 RBIs?"



Sluggo - January 24, 2010 02:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Skipjack @ Jan 24 2010, 08:50 AM)
QUOTE
…"Why wouldn't you want a guy who potentially can give you 200 hits and 100 RBIs?"

Because once it's Josh Bell's time, Miggy will forget how to speak English and start requesting through Cesar Izturis to be traded, and do his best to generally make everybody miserable. Because he shows up late, shows up the manager, and lacks hustle at the times when you need it the most. Because he's dumb enough to purchase steroids with a personal check and write "steroids" in the memo section. Because for all we know, he's really 43 years old. Because he's never played third base before, and it takes about 100 games to get comfortable in a new position. Because Spring Training hasn't even started yet, and Miggy is already grounding into double plays. Because the last thing this organization needs to do is move backwards. Because Roch was sooooo convincing when he said so many times in regard to Miggy, "That ship has sailed."

I %&#*@#ing hate this move.

Bark - January 24, 2010 03:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (orioles27 @ Jan 23 2010, 09:25 PM)
I'd rather have Adam LaRoche at 12 million than Miguel Tejada at 6...and that says a lot.

I am with ya there. 22 Homeruns for Markakis sounds right without any protection before and after him in the lineup.

Skipjack - January 24, 2010 05:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sluggo @ Jan 24 2010, 10:39 AM)
QUOTE (Skipjack @ Jan 24 2010, 08:50 AM)
QUOTE
…"Why wouldn't you want a guy who potentially can give you 200 hits and 100 RBIs?"

Because once it's Josh Bell's time, Miggy will forget how to speak English and start requesting through Cesar Izturis to be traded, and do his best to generally make everybody miserable. Because he shows up late, shows up the manager, and lacks hustle at the times when you need it the most. Because he's dumb enough to purchase steroids with a personal check and write "steroids" in the memo section. Because for all we know, he's really 43 years old. Because he's never played third base before, and it takes about 100 games to get comfortable in a new position. Because Spring Training hasn't even started yet, and Miggy is already grounding into double plays. Because the last thing this organization needs to do is move backwards. Because Roch was sooooo convincing when he said so many times in regard to Miggy, "That ship has sailed."

I %&#*@#ing hate this move.

I really don't care if:
1. Tejada communicates his unhappiness through Izturis in Swahili
2. Tejada makes everyone miserable
3. Tejada shows up late, shows up the manager, and doesn't show any hustle on a daily basis
4. Tejada is too dumb to pour water out of a boot with instructions written on the heel
5. Tejada is older than dirt
6. Tejada has to be led out to third base by Samuels for the first 100 games
7. Tejada leads the league in K's and hitting into DP's
8. Tejada has missed Roch's Caribbean cruise

IF…If: he delivers 200 hits and 100 RBI…otherwise I agree with you Sluggo, as usual.:agree: :D

I think it's a good low cost, potentially high return gamble… classic MacPhail. As some pundit wrote if MacPhail gets Bedard back then he will have gotten 12 players for nothing.

Another thing…if…if Tejada starts off well and…and a contending team needs a SS - well then…MacPhail the Magnificent can just deal him off for another bundle. Tejada could become a virtual and perpetual prospect producing machine!

Sluggo - January 24, 2010 06:16 PM (GMT)
I hear you on all of that, Jack. I just have a hard time believing, in what seems to be such a pivotal year in terms the future direction of the team, that the solution to our corner-infield-and-right-handed-bat problem is Miguel Tejada Part Deux.

I like this move less than I like spending five bucks for Natty Boh. Did I mention that Natty Boh costs five bucks in Aberdeen?

Skipjack - January 24, 2010 06:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sluggo @ Jan 24 2010, 02:16 PM)
I hear you on all of that, Jack.  I just have a hard time believing, in what seems to be such a pivotal year in terms the future direction of the team, that the solution to our corner-infield-and-right-handed-bat problem is Miguel Tejada Part Deux.

I like this move less than I like spending five bucks for Natty Boh.  Did I mention that Natty Boh costs five bucks in Aberdeen?

You gotta be kidding me Sluggo! Five bucks for a Natty Boh!! OMG I have literally pissed away a fortune!!! I could have had a fortune if I had squirreled away those $4 cases of Mr One Eye I bought in college. Wait, was it a special edition Natty Boh? Maybe Mr Boh had 2 eyes??

osfan58202233 - January 24, 2010 07:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bark @ Jan 23 2010, 04:25 PM)
So the infield is Atkins, Roberts, Izturis, and Tejada. We'll be lucky to get 40 homeruns from that bunch.

i'm right with you guys, but don't forget about the guy behind the plate in the infield, who might hit 40 on his own...well, 25 anyway.

Sluggo - January 24, 2010 08:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bark @ Jan 23 2010, 03:25 PM)
So the infield is Atkins, Roberts, Izturis, and Tejada. We'll be lucky to get 40 homeruns from that bunch.

Did I mention that Miggy's cumulative WAR for the last two seasons is 2.2?

Skipjack - January 24, 2010 08:22 PM (GMT)
Anybody want to bet? I say Tejada hits 20 or more home runs and drives in 100 or more runs for the season no matter what team he ends up with.

Case of Natty Boh?

stanhouse - January 25, 2010 02:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sluggo @ Jan 24 2010, 09:39 AM)
QUOTE (Skipjack @ Jan 24 2010, 08:50 AM)
QUOTE
…"Why wouldn't you want a guy who potentially can give you 200 hits and 100 RBIs?"

Because once it's Josh Bell's time, Miggy will forget how to speak English and start requesting through Cesar Izturis to be traded, and do his best to generally make everybody miserable. Because he shows up late, shows up the manager, and lacks hustle at the times when you need it the most. Because he's dumb enough to purchase steroids with a personal check and write "steroids" in the memo section. Because for all we know, he's really 43 years old. Because he's never played third base before, and it takes about 100 games to get comfortable in a new position. Because Spring Training hasn't even started yet, and Miggy is already grounding into double plays. Because the last thing this organization needs to do is move backwards. Because Roch was sooooo convincing when he said so many times in regard to Miggy, "That ship has sailed."

I %&#*@#ing hate this move.

Word!

I wonder if Miggy found Houston to be more hopeless than OPACY?

actorgersh - January 25, 2010 02:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Skipjack @ Jan 24 2010, 01:12 PM)
As some pundit wrote if MacPhail gets Bedard back then he will have gotten 12 players for nothing.

I wouldn't say nothing. In addition to the 12 players, he got a revolving door of shortstops in '08 and a burned out bullpen because of the void in the rotation.

Sluggo - January 25, 2010 01:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (actorgersh @ Jan 24 2010, 09:51 PM)
I wouldn't say nothing.  In addition to the 12 players, he got a revolving door of shortstops in '08 and a burned out bullpen because of the void in the rotation.

Well Bedard is only a five inning pitcher, so............ :rolleyes:

And he did miss out on those 2.2 wins Miggy brought to Houston.

Skipjack - January 25, 2010 01:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Skipjack @ Jan 24 2010, 04:22 PM)
Anybody want to bet? I say Tejada hits 20 or more home runs and drives in 100 or more runs for the season no matter what team he ends up with.

Case of Natty Boh?

Perhaps Tejada will be to the 2010 Orioles as Sosa was to the 2005 Orioles:
Hits: 84
HRs: 14
RBI: 45

Let me see wasn't there another former Oriole who came to us after a stint with Houston? Lemme see now…Glenn? Glenn Doofus? no, not it! Eureka I have it…Glenn Davis!!
GD's best year with us - 1992:
Hits: 110
HRs: 13
RBI: 48

I'm seeing a pattern here. Oh well I offered the bet so it still stands, case of Boh? Anyone? Anyone…

Skipjack - January 25, 2010 03:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Skipjack @ Jan 24 2010, 04:22 PM)
Anybody want to bet? I say Tejada hits 20 or more home runs and drives in 100 or more runs for the season no matter what team he ends up with.

Case of Natty Boh?

No interest in National Boh eh? How about: Dogfish Head 60 Minute IPA? Allagash White? Brooklyn Pennant Ale '55? Anchor Steam? Yuengling Black and Tan? Maybe a bottle of Maker's Mark or Bombay Sapphire? Chesapeake Bay Blue Crabs? Maine Lobsters?

draftermatt - January 25, 2010 04:08 PM (GMT)
Jack I'd take your bet (though despite my being a MD boy have never drank a Natty Boh, shame on me) but I tend to think Tejada could have a good year too.

Defensively I'm scared to death about what we'll get though. At least he has an infielder's glove though.

Personally, I'm not sure how I feel about it yet. I just look at the comments from our team's "fearless leaders" Brian Roberts and Nick Markakis. Who are both ecstatic to have him back on the team.

If they're happy I'm happy.

Wonder what they'll have to do if Tejada works out a deal with Adam Jones to get #10 back with all the "I live at 2110 Eutaw Street" stuff.

Skipjack - January 25, 2010 04:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (draftermatt @ Jan 25 2010, 12:08 PM)
Jack I'd take your bet (though despite my being a MD boy have never drank a Natty Boh, shame on me) but I tend to think Tejada could have a good year too.

Defensively I'm scared to death about what we'll get though. At least he has an infielder's glove though.

Personally, I'm not sure how I feel about it yet. I just look at the comments from our team's "fearless leaders" Brian Roberts and Nick Markakis. Who are both ecstatic to have him back on the team.

If they're happy I'm happy.

Wonder what they'll have to do if Tejada works out a deal with Adam Jones to get #10 back with all the "I live at 2110 Eutaw Street" stuff.

Matt I am so with you!

I'm not too worried about his defense at 3rd. He always could go to his right it was going to the left that showed up his limited range. If he shades the 5/6 hole he should be able to adjust. Izturis will handle the defense if…if Tejada will just keep out of the way to the left.

I hope and expect that he will have a good year as well. I still think MacPhail made a good deal… low cost high return potential. If and when Bell is ready then we may be able to deal Tejada before the deadline for a good return.

If Roberts and Markakis like the prospects for him to have a 200 hit 100 RBI year then so do I. We could certainly use that kind of production until Bell is ready. They seems to think he is a good teammate as well.

szekely - January 25, 2010 05:39 PM (GMT)
Jack:

When you raise the stakes to Dogfish Head 90 or 120, then we're talking.

I think Miggy will be motivated. And as Drafter said, if Roberts and Markakis like it, and MacPhail sees this as the best we can do for ONE YEAR, I ain't gonna complain. In his humble opinion, Bell is a year away. And consider that if Bell fast forwards this year and Miggy is not delivering, then Miggy is expendable and Bell gets promoted. Can't be that bad.

Here is my fearless pick: Adam Jones leads the team in HRs, and it might not be close if he stays healthy all season.

Skywalker - January 25, 2010 06:15 PM (GMT)
I actually like this deal and it was the best short term solution out there. Btw. do we have to sacrifice a draft pick for Miggy?

Skipjack - January 25, 2010 06:42 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (szekely @ Jan 25 2010, 01:39 PM)
Jack:

When you raise the stakes to Dogfish Head 90 or 120, then we're talking.

I think Miggy will be motivated.  And as Drafter said, if Roberts and Markakis like it, and MacPhail sees this as the best we can do for ONE YEAR, I ain't gonna complain.  In his humble opinion, Bell is a year away.  And consider that if Bell fast forwards this year and Miggy is not delivering, then Miggy is expendable and Bell gets promoted.  Can't be that bad.

Here is my fearless pick:  Adam Jones leads the team in HRs, and it might not be close if he stays healthy all season.

Andrew
I agree that Tejada will be motivated. It is a one year deal…he walks at the end of the season and his ego is such that he thinks he can play for several more years…so if he has a good year with us he probably will reason (if that is not an oxymoron with Tejada) that his value in the class of 2011 Free Agent Follies will be greatly enhanced.

I hope Bell is ready before July 31 so we can deal Tejada, if there is a market for him.

OK szekely here are my fearless picks:
1. Jones will continue to wear uni number 10 and Tejada will wear 01.

2. Sammy Sosa's skin will become so white from his cream therapy that he strip his hair and go on tour as an Andy Warhol impersonator.

3. The Orioles will trade Miguel Tejada for Jack Cust.

4. Having been so impressed with the Tejada signing Hal Wenk (aka Vladfan) will accept an intern position in Andy MacPhail's office.



Skipjack - January 25, 2010 06:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Skywalker @ Jan 25 2010, 02:15 PM)
I actually like this deal and it was the best short term solution out there. Btw. do we have to sacrifice a draft pick for Miggy?

I don't think so Christian since Houston did not offer him arbitration.

Skywalker - January 25, 2010 06:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Skipjack @ Jan 25 2010, 01:47 PM)
QUOTE (Skywalker @ Jan 25 2010, 02:15 PM)
I actually like this deal and it was the best short term solution out there. Btw. do we have to sacrifice a draft pick for Miggy?

I don't think so Christian since Houston did not offer him arbitration.

Then I like this deal even better!

Skipjack - January 25, 2010 07:07 PM (GMT)
OK so no one wants a friendly bet. I was trying to give the beer away Tejada hasn't hit 20 dingers or driven in 100 runs in the past 3 years.

I'll drink the Boh myself, so there…wait a minute I don't even like Boh since my taste buds matured. I'll drink the Maker's Mark then.

szekely - January 25, 2010 07:26 PM (GMT)
Jack:

Try the Balvenie double cask single malt whisky. Pretty fine. 12 yr, with 11 yrs in "regular' french oak casks and then a year in a french oak used for a sherry. $33.97 at Trader Joes or $37 at Bev Mo or Costco around here.

I did a blind whisky tasting with six people, included Glenlivet 12 and 15 year, Balvenie, SPeyburn, and another one. Balvenie by acclimation. Everybody liked all the choices, but it was not even a close vote.


Skipjack - January 25, 2010 07:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (szekely @ Jan 25 2010, 03:26 PM)
Jack:

Try the Balvenie double cask single malt whisky. Pretty fine. 12 yr, with 11 yrs in "regular' french oak casks and then a year in a french oak used for a sherry. $33.97 at Trader Joes or $37 at Bev Mo or Costco around here.

I did a blind whisky tasting with six people, included Glenlivet 12 and 15 year, Balvenie, SPeyburn, and another one. Balvenie by acclimation. Everybody liked all the choices, but it was not even a close vote.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look for it.

I'm a gin and bourbon fan after touring the Marker's Mark Distillery in Kentucky. I have my name on a barrel of Maker's Mark as it ages toward perfection. My goal now is to live long enough to taste it. They bottle based on taste standards not just an arbitrary passage of time so if my barrel is precocious I may be there for the tapping.

szekely - January 25, 2010 09:22 PM (GMT)
Sweet story re Maker's Mark.

I am planning a trip to Ireland this summer and will try to hit a whisky distillery or two along the way, between rounds of golf. There is some talk of a ferry ride to Troon, which would be a golf and side trip to a distillery, if possible.

I have had gin twice now, first time was a Gibson (I just have not developed a taste for olives but pearl unions are just fine) and then this last weekend, when a friend offered me a taste of his gin and tonic.

Stay well, my friend. I bet you will last even if your cask needs to mature longer.

Skipjack - January 25, 2010 09:34 PM (GMT)
Actually Andrew it does have a sweet after taste on the tip of the tongue very pleasant. They use wheat in the mash instead of rye as is favored by most other distillers.

Gin is certainly an acquired taste. The botanicals used for flavoring good gin, especially the juniper, is delightful. I especially like Bombay Sapphire for martinis (actually martini is a Latin plural…martinus would be just one…but who can have just one martini?) One is not enough and two is too many.

Milto - January 27, 2010 01:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
Because once it's Josh Bell's time, Miggy will forget how to speak English and start requesting through Cesar Izturis to be traded, and do his best to generally make everybody miserable. Because he shows up late, shows up the manager, and lacks hustle at the times when you need it the most. Because he's dumb enough to purchase steroids with a personal check and write "steroids" in the memo section. Because for all we know, he's really 43 years old. Because he's never played third base before, and it takes about 100 games to get comfortable in a new position. Because Spring Training hasn't even started yet, and Miggy is already grounding into double plays
Other than that?

Sluggo - January 27, 2010 01:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Milto @ Jan 26 2010, 08:26 PM)
Other than that?

Did I mention his 2.2 WAR over the last two seasons? $6m for 1.1 wins.

Skipjack - January 27, 2010 02:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sluggo @ Jan 26 2010, 09:43 PM)
QUOTE (Milto @ Jan 26 2010, 08:26 PM)
Other than that?

Did I mention his 2.2 WAR over the last two seasons? $6m for 1.1 wins.

Actually you didn't mention that it was Houston who paid Tejada $14,811,414 last year for that 1.1 WAR you alluded to.

We will be paying $6,000,000 this season and his WAR for 2010 has not been calculated. :lol:


Sluggo - January 27, 2010 05:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Skipjack @ Jan 27 2010, 09:02 AM)
Actually you didn't mention that it was Houston who paid Tejada $14,811,414 last year for that 1.1 WAR you alluded to.

We will be paying $6,000,000 this season and his WAR for 2010 has not been calculated. :lol:

In reality, Captain Technical, Houston paid $14m for .5 wins last year. His WAR for the previous year was 1.7 for an average of 1.1/yr. :P

Skipjack - January 27, 2010 05:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sluggo @ Jan 27 2010, 01:04 PM)
QUOTE (Skipjack @ Jan 27 2010, 09:02 AM)
Actually you didn't mention that it was Houston who paid Tejada $14,811,414 last year for that 1.1 WAR you alluded to.

We will be paying $6,000,000 this season and his WAR for 2010 has not been calculated. :lol:

In reality, Captain Technical, Houston paid $14m for .5 wins last year. His WAR for the previous year was 1.7 for an average of 1.1/yr. :P

Well Lieutenant Technical, I just used your 1.1 figure…so there.

In any event we don't know what, if anything, the $6,000,000 buys.

Milto - January 27, 2010 06:21 PM (GMT)
Captain and Lieutenant,
I do not know what acronym WAR stands for. I'll assume it means he sucks. If so, I want no part of that battle.
The O's are signing him Wthout Any Regard for the fans.
Carry on.

Skipjack - January 27, 2010 06:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Milto @ Jan 27 2010, 02:21 PM)
Captain and Lieutenant,
I do not know what acronym WAR stands for. I'll assume it means he sucks. If so, I want no part of that battle.
The O's are signing him Wthout Any Regard for the fans.
Carry on.

Hey Milt
WAR = Wins Above Replacement. How may wins can be attributed to a player above or below what a $400,000 a year player would deliver.

Career200 - January 27, 2010 06:35 PM (GMT)
We've lost sight of some key things here. First, Tejada was signed to a 1 year deal only. Second, based on everything we've been reading, it should be pretty obvious that Miguel Tejada will not be the O's starting 3B by August.

No matter what your personal feelings for Tejada may be, he was brought here to produce for 4 months before Josh Bell or whomever else is ready. I think that's a pretty decent bet, considering the low cost.

The question that really matters is whether Josh Bell will be ready, and when he is, what can we expect of him? I don't think MacPhail and the O's even know what to expect of Bell when he reaches the majors.

PFC 200.

Sluggo - January 27, 2010 07:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Career200 @ Jan 27 2010, 01:35 PM)
First, Tejada was signed to a 1 year deal only.

Thank you, Commander Obvious. :wink:




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