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Milto - March 22, 2010 01:47 AM (GMT)
Baltimore rookie right-hander Chris Tillman pitched five innings against Boston Saturday, giving up two runs on two hits - a fourth-inning double to Dustin Pedroia followed by a home run to left field by Kevin Youkilis - and a walk with one strikeout. "I thought it went real well today," Tillman said. "I felt good warming up before the game and when I missed, I missed down. I felt real good about it, even the two hits. Pedroia, I thought that was a great pitch, but he got his hands to it. I was happy with it. And the one that Youkilis hit out, I went back to the cutter. It's a new pitch, and I was fairly happy with it. It was a little bit up and he just barreled it up." Tillman was a second-round pick of the Seattle Mariners in 2006 but was traded to the Orioles, along with four players, for pitcher Erik Bedard before the 2008 season. "Good, real good," Boston manager Terry Francona said of Tillman's outing. "They made some moves a couple years ago that, their young kids weren't ready to show at the big league level. But now, unfortunately, some of those kids are starting to mature and we're going to see them in the big leagues. They got a chance to be pretty good."

Skipjack - March 22, 2010 11:13 AM (GMT)
Tillman is the real deal. I like this guy.

Got a chance to add some new phrases to my Pitch-Speak vocabulary from the Tillman quotes Milt provided:

"Got his hands to it" = he hit it
"Barreled it up" = he hit it a long way

I think I'm way behind on my Pitch-Speak vocabulary list. What are some other phrases that I should include?

I was thinking that a pitcher might say, "I was feeling the ball real good today," meaning he had his "stuff," as a hitter might say, "I was seeing the ball real good today," or an umpire might say, "I was hearing the ball real good today."

Bark - March 22, 2010 05:42 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Skipjack @ Mar 22 2010, 07:13 AM)
I was thinking that a pitcher might say, "I was feeling the ball real good today," meaning he had his "stuff,"

I'd rather hear that from a pitcher than a urologist.

I heard an older gentleman refer to a curveball as an "Uncle Charlie" the other day. That was a new one to me.

stanhouse - March 22, 2010 05:57 PM (GMT)
I'll try to make one up:

"Getting a close look": An understated term for the trouser-dampening experience of narrowly ducking a come-backer as in...

"I kinda served one up in the middle of the zone, he swung hard, and then I got a close look at it."

Eh, maybe not.

szekely - March 22, 2010 05:59 PM (GMT)
Bark:

It would be especially bad if you had to visit a urologist, and he started by saying, just think of me as your Uncle Charlie.

At an annual exam, a few years ago, I took minimal solace in my MDs' comment that he had skinny fingers.

Or when one of my clients, who was accused of having an intimate relationship with a 14 year, kept finishing his comments with, You feel me, Cuz?


stanhouse - March 22, 2010 06:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bark @ Mar 22 2010, 12:42 PM)
I heard an older gentleman refer to a curveball as an "Uncle Charlie" the other day. That was a new one to me.

How about the "yellow hammer" for the overhand curve ball? I found that archaic term in John Bagonzi's "The Act of Pitching." It might be the most useful book on pitching that I've read in that it gave me the idea for a cut-fastball/slider which, for some reason, is the pitch I seem to throw most often for strikes (see "got a close look" above).

Skipjack - March 22, 2010 06:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bark @ Mar 22 2010, 01:42 PM)
…I heard an older gentleman refer to a curveball as an "Uncle Charlie" the other day.  That was a new one to me.

I'm not sure if I qualify for the term "older gentleman" in every particular, but I am familiar with the term "Uncle Charlie" as well as "the yakker" for a curve ball.

szekely - March 22, 2010 08:49 PM (GMT)
I am trying to have a skull session to come up with good phrases for pitchers, but can't find anything new.

But I can say this. I hate it when our guys are pitching from behind, it never ends well. And our guys rarely seem to pound the batter inside, which may not be all bad.

Here is a strange phrase: get off the schneid

To break a scoreless, hitless, or winless streak (i.e., a schneid). According to the Dickson Baseball Dictionary, the term "schneid" comes to baseball via gin rummy, and in turn comes from German / Yiddish "schneider," one who cuts cloth, i.e., a tailor.

News to me.

szekely - March 22, 2010 08:52 PM (GMT)
Speaking of good 5 inning outtings, Millwood had a good line for yesterday's game. If this is a sign, he turned the corner pretty quickly.

We are all hoping for more of the same during the season.

Career200 - March 22, 2010 08:56 PM (GMT)
I think Matusz seems to be having the best spring. 18 Ks in just 15 IP. I think on Friday he shut down the Phillies major league lineup; just two hits, two BBs, and 6 Ks.

R.O.Shipman - March 22, 2010 10:06 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Career200 @ Mar 22 2010, 03:56 PM)
I think Matusz seems to be having the best spring. 18 Ks in just 15 IP. I think on Friday he shut down the Phillies major league lineup; just two hits, two BBs, and 6 Ks.

Matusz is doing what he was billed to do... throw strikes, fool batters and pitch efficiently. Tillman is exceeding my expectations. My (absurd) hopes are pinned on Jake Arrieta becoming the best of the bunch.

szekely - March 22, 2010 10:47 PM (GMT)
Welcome R.O.

It would be great if you were right.

What led you to that hope? Have you seen him pitch, and the others too?

A few of the folks here are fortunate enough to get to minor league games out that way. I am on the left coast and have a difficult time getting to the east coast for any reason. I catch plenty of Oakland As games and a few Giants.

Sluggo - March 23, 2010 12:10 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Skipjack @ Mar 22 2010, 06:13 AM)
"Got his hands to it" = he hit it
"Barreled it up" = he hit it a long way

Never heard either of those before, but they both sound like they could refer to hitting a difficult pitch. If I had to guess, I'd say that:

"Got his hands to it" = hit a pitch that you have to have a quick bat to get to, like the letter-high fastball on the outer third

"Barreled it up" = got the meat of the bat to a pitch you're not supposed to, like the belt-high inside fastball

Sluggo - March 23, 2010 12:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (R.O.Shipman @ Mar 22 2010, 05:06 PM)
Tillman is exceeding my expectations.

I saw Tillman pitch AA in Portland once when he had just turned 20, and you could tell he was special. Then again, I saw Clay Buccholz pitch AA three times the year before that, and he's about *this close* to being a major-league washout at this point. I will be very surprised if he pulls it back together.

Milto - March 23, 2010 10:28 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (R.O.Shipman @ Mar 22 2010, 05:06 PM)
  My (absurd) hopes are pinned on Jake Arrieta becoming the best of the bunch.

Taking nothing from Tillman, not so sure that is absurd, Ro-boat.

Career200 - March 23, 2010 12:34 PM (GMT)
Welcome Shipman.

I've always viewed Matusz and Tillman as 1a and 1b. I've even heard or read people say that they think Tillman has a higher ceiling than Matusz. One thing to consider is that Matusz pitched a full 4 years in college whereas I believe Tillman came directly out of high school, and I think that's a huge advantage for Matusz over Tillman early in their careers.

My understanding is that Arrieta has control issues. I hear a lot of good things about Zach Britton, and it sounds like he's surpassing Arrieta in development. The good news is that no matter where you place your hopes, it's becoming obvious that the attention the organization has paid to pitching is finally starting to pay off.

osfan58202233 - March 23, 2010 03:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (R.O.Shipman @ Mar 22 2010, 06:06 PM)
Tillman is exceeding my expectations.  My (absurd) hopes are pinned on Jake Arrieta becoming the best of the bunch.

back in 2007, i had the great pleasure of watching Arrieta pitch in the Arizona Fall League against Evan Longoria, Delwyn Young, Andy LaRoche, Steven Pearce, and a guy named Ruggiano.

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saw him pitch in Harrisburg (with AA Bowie) and he was already starting to show signs of those control issues. needless to say, i'm disappointed, but TNSTAAPP (there's no such thing as a 'pitching prospect'). :( there's still a chance that he'll get it together. i hope so. i love those thighs :biggrin: (seriously, they're like tree trunks).


QUOTE (Sluggo @ Mar 22 2010, 09:39 PM)
They couldn’t possibly be as interesting as the video of you getting knocked out by Tillman, but do share. And for RO’s sake, I think you should re-post the Tillman vid.


in May 2008, i got to see Tillman in Bowie. i have no idea why someone rated this video with 5 stars, as the quality is awful, but i guess at that time no one had had the chance to see him in person yet. you can't even see the placement of the ball most of the time, but a couple of angles aren't toooo bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c3noONmgp0

here's the thing, tho. i was still just using the little Canon A95 to capture the video. not for long...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTCXUNC_OKE

Sluggo - March 23, 2010 04:05 PM (GMT)
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"I think it's cool being in this division," Tillman, all of 21 years old, said. "Obviously it's a tough division, but I take it as a challenge."

But then this fact is pointed out to Tillman: Of the 287 starts Roy Halladay made during the 11 years he spent with the Toronto Blue Jays (before being traded to Philadelphia this past winter), fully a quarter of them, 73 to be exact, came against the Yankees and Red Sox.

Suddenly, Tillman's face went blank except for his eyes widening in shock. All he could muster was two words: "Holy smokes."

Bark - March 24, 2010 11:58 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (szekely @ Mar 22 2010, 01:59 PM)
Bark:

It would be especially bad if you had to visit a urologist, and he started by saying, just think of me as your Uncle Charlie.


That wouldn't be good. Just like I never understood why the dentist wants me to turn my head and cough... :wtf:

QUOTE (stanhouse)

How about the "yellow hammer" for the overhand curve ball?

Nope that is a new one to me as well. I am used to "bender", "hook", "the deuce", and "old number 2".

QUOTE (Skipjack)

I'm not sure if I qualify for the term "older gentleman" in every particular,  but I am familiar with the term "Uncle Charlie" as well as "the yakker" for a curve ball.


I only saw "yakker" when I googled "Uncle Charlie". It is always good to expand one's baseball vocabulary.




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