Title: Arrieta
Milto - June 11, 2010 01:02 AM (GMT)
6 inn (so far) 106 pitches so...
6K 4BB* too many 3 earned runs, this is the Yankees.
Definitely worthy of another start.
Milto - June 11, 2010 01:26 AM (GMT)
Here we go. He lifts Mata after retiring 2 with just 7 pitches and puts Ohman in. He promptly walks Swisher, then Tex....
I'm counting to 10 to keep from exploding.
juan, two, three, ...
szekely - June 11, 2010 02:50 AM (GMT)
Milt:
I felt surprisingly calm, and was not assuming the game was over when the Skankees went ahead following the walk to Chad the Stick. For so much of this year, I have fluctuated between hearing the Os give up two runs to go down by a run and KNOWING the game was over, and having a continuing sense of dread with each pitching change.
Hernandez seemed pretty good in the ninth.
And we all loved how Arrieta got out of that sixth inning and never seemed to lose his equilibrium. The Moeller walk was bad, but we can forgive Arrieta for the freshman mistake. If he does that in September, somebody would need to slap him.
He probably earned a second start. . . . And if my math is correct, that would be Monday in SF. Not sure if I can get to all three games, but at least two.
HotTubMan - June 12, 2010 07:50 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Milto @ Jun 10 2010, 09:26 PM) |
Here we go. He lifts Mata after retiring 2 with just 7 pitches and puts Ohman in. He promptly walks Swisher, then Tex....
I'm counting to 10 to keep from exploding.
juan, two, three, ... |
Ohman was put in to take away Swisher's power.
He only has one HR from the right side and it was a one run game. If Mata pitches to Swisher or Tex the place would have a buzz of miss management.
You make that move 100% of the time.
If you question not using Mata more, then you don't bring him in when he did...but having confidence in a rookie whom has been worthy so far is a good call.
Milto - June 12, 2010 09:57 PM (GMT)
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| Ohman was put in to take away Swisher's power. He only has one HR from the right side and it was a one run game. If Mata pitches to Swisher or Tex the place would have a buzz of miss management. |
I imagine Mata could have walked the two of them just as well as Ohman did.
szekely - June 14, 2010 04:40 PM (GMT)
You guys are both right.
And Ohman did take away Swisher's power.
Milto - June 14, 2010 04:54 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (szekely @ Jun 14 2010, 11:40 AM) |
You guys are both right.
And Ohman did take away Swisher's power. |
He didn't pitch to him. You or I could walk him, so could Mata.
szekely - June 14, 2010 05:12 PM (GMT)
Ohman has the weirdest good stats in baseball. He has been scored on in only two or three games. But in at least three or four games, he has come in and walked two guys. So sometimes he is special.
I don't get why some relievers come in and start being too cautious. Generally fast ball flame thrower types come in and challenge, coming right at the hitter. When they and the others are busy picking at nits and throwing balls, it defeats the entire purpose of the call to the bullpen. That is one reason why I appreciated Samuel and his handling of Arrieta. He trusted Arrieta and the dude came through. Threw strikes, got out of his innings.
One reason I hate this whole closer and 8th inning set up guy garbage is that pitchers don't think of finishing, going the distance, and too many times they have a win go away by the bullpen. If I was a pitcher, I would want to fight for the right to lose my own game. Imagine being good enough to pitch in the majors and you are feeling strong with no signs of fatigue or distraction and your manager does not even think about trusting you--he has a formula that says 100 pitches is your ceiling and you are irrelevant to the teams success after you reach that plateau.
Milto - June 14, 2010 06:10 PM (GMT)
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One reason I hate this whole closer and 8th inning set up guy garbage is that pitchers don't think of finishing, going the distance, and too many times they have a win go away by the bullpen. If I was a pitcher, I would want to fight for the right to lose my own game. Imagine being good enough to pitch in the majors and you are feeling strong with no signs of fatigue or distraction and your manager does not even think about trusting you--he has a formula that says 100 pitches is your ceiling and you are irrelevant to the teams success after you reach that plateau. |
I am like you AD, I would argue too. Wouldn't get you nothing yelled at, maybe benched and fined. The formula says.
I think Jack is in agreement with us about the "whole closer and 8th inning set up guy garbage". I would not lift a reliever who had not given up a hit and was pitching well. I can't think of a legitimate case that could be made for doing so. You agree with HotTubman, the Mata/Ohman move was to take away Swisher's power. If Ohman is better suited to face Swisher, why start the inning with Mata? Samuel has a lineup card, he knew who was coming up. Regardless, if you are that afraid of Swisher in that situation, walk him. That is what Ohman did.
Skipjack - June 14, 2010 06:28 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Milto @ Jun 14 2010, 02:10 PM) |
| …I think Jack is in agreement with us about the "whole closer and 8th inning set up guy garbage". I would not lift a reliever who had not given up a hit and was pitching well. I can't think of a legitimate case that could be made for doing so. |
I certainly am in agreement. I also don't like the "lefty-righty specialists," I haven't tracked it but I have the feeling that sometimes a better pitcher is sent down or released so that a lesser pitcher can be kept because he is a "righty-lefty specialist."
I'm not usually a "back in the day" old fart but in this case I am, I liked the old way better…a pitcher started and he was expected to finish, the judgement of the manager determined how long a starter stayed in, when the starter came out the best available/most rested reliever came in and he pitched until it was determined that he ran out of gas or that he didn't have it that day.
szekely - June 14, 2010 06:50 PM (GMT)
Another chime in point:
If your best bullpen pitcher is Mariano Rivera and it is the 7th or 8th inning and your starter/other lesser reliever has managed to get you into a bases loaded hot spot, and you have a one run lead, why not make your best beat them right then? If you send in a clown, and he gives away the lead, or lets the other team score two to take the lead, you don't need a closer. You need offense before you need your "closer."
Would you want your exhausted starter continuing, or a lesser reliever in when you really aren't that confident in him? Or do you send in yet another reliever, not your best?
Why would you not want to save the game in the 7th or 8th?
Milto - June 14, 2010 08:50 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (szekely @ Jun 14 2010, 01:50 PM) |
Another chime in point:
If your best bullpen pitcher is Mariano Rivera and it is the 7th or 8th inning and your starter/other lesser reliever has managed to get you into a bases loaded hot spot, and you have a one run lead, why not make your best beat them right then? If you send in a clown, and he gives away the lead, or lets the other team score two to take the lead, you don't need a closer. You need offense before you need your "closer."
Would you want your exhausted starter continuing, or a lesser reliever in when you really aren't that confident in him? Or do you send in yet another reliever, not your best?
Why would you not want to save the game in the 7th or 8th? |
Absolutely use your best pitcher to try and preserve the lead.
stanhouse - June 14, 2010 09:12 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Milto @ Jun 14 2010, 03:50 PM) |
| Absolutely use your best pitcher to try and preserve the lead. |
Perhaps they could do a similar thing with the announcing crew. If a game has gotten out of hand and Jim Hunter's sunny weltanschauung grates on you, then MASN could bring on the Designated Comedian. Or, at least, they could flip over to carrying the radio feed where Joe Angel and Fred Manfra are pretty good until Fred gets too far into his cups sometimes. (Heck, it worked for Harry Caray!)